Quote:They received $1 million each in funding to develop Global Navigation Satellite System-based solutions that could be used for road pricing in Singapore's urban environment.
Singapore is not launching its own positioning constellation. There are only a few countries that have the resources to do that since a single constellation covering the earth will require at least 24 satellites. Even to cover singapore will probably need tens of satellites for full day/night coverage.
Singapore is using US/Russia Global positioning satellites with ground based solution to implement vehicle tracking.
So far, the country that in fact can do ERP is in fact Japan. The widespread Wifi infrastructure allows anyone to track their own position within tens of metres, with or without GPS satellite, below and above ground and between high rise buildings.
(09-09-2013, 10:02 AM)Temperament Wrote: [ -> ] (06-09-2013, 02:48 PM)specuvestor Wrote: [ -> ]Socialism with capitalistic incentive was what made Singapore, so much so that China wanted to learn the model from us.
Goh era of Singapore Inc, thinking the rich would eventually help the poor as aggregate economy improves through taxes and jobs, was what caused a lot of the problems today. The principle has changed
I think it's very interesting to say Quote:The principle has changed
Care to elaborate?
To me everything or every business in Singapore that has something to do with the GOV. must make money or the money must come from the people one way or another. No?
If you think of the COE now, it really crazy. Which country can follow what Singapore's COE system? Name me one and i kow tow to you.
And GOV is experimenting of Satellite tracking your car to make you pay whenever you move your car. No need ERP anymore. What's better then EMP?-"Every Move Pays"
Ha! Ha!
i think GOV will implement one day. Gov may gives motorists some "sweetener" before implementation of "EMP" . That's their style of implementation of many policies. So that you don't have the will to protest strongly. May be some Singaporeans will make noises but usually end in a whimper. Why?
Shanghai has followed Singapore's COE system.
I quote, "The average price for a Shanghai plate soared to 75,000 yuan ($12,000) at the city’s license plate auction over the weekend"
I think that the COE is a very useful tool to control vehicle population. For a city-state like Singapore, we must understand that it is not the priority of a government to allow everyone to own a vehicle. The taxes collected from the COE bidding should be used to fund improvements in public transport, to make it truly world class.
This is not enough. To also control usage, i will hope the government of the day can increase the cost to drive, i.e. by increasing ERP during peak hours. Apparently, the $8 to pass through the gantry at ECP to city is not enough to deter motorists from driving.
They are going to made changes to the existing COE. Will it be more benficial to the general population?
http://sg.news.yahoo.com/engine-power-to...23787.html
Maybe another category to include is the "Super Car". Seeing more and more of such cars on the road. Minimum COE for such cars set at $300k?
(09-09-2013, 03:00 PM)yeokiwi Wrote: [ -> ]Quote:They received $1 million each in funding to develop Global Navigation Satellite System-based solutions that could be used for road pricing in Singapore's urban environment.
Singapore is not launching its own positioning constellation. There are only a few countries that have the resources to do that since a single constellation covering the earth will require at least 24 satellites. Even to cover singapore will probably need tens of satellites for full day/night coverage.
Singapore is using US/Russia Global positioning satellites with ground based solution to implement vehicle tracking.
So far, the country that in fact can do ERP is in fact Japan. The widespread Wifi infrastructure allows anyone to track their own position within tens of metres, with or without GPS satellite, below and above ground and between high rise buildings.
Singapore can implement it own tracking system too. Using the telco network. If you look at the system setting of a smart phone, you can see that mobile network can actually be used to determine your location. Had seen an experiment. It was quite accurate.
(09-09-2013, 03:00 PM)yeokiwi Wrote: [ -> ]Quote:They received $1 million each in funding to develop Global Navigation Satellite System-based solutions that could be used for road pricing in Singapore's urban environment.
Singapore is not launching its own positioning constellation. There are only a few countries that have the resources to do that since a single constellation covering the earth will require at least 24 satellites. Even to cover singapore will probably need tens of satellites for full day/night coverage.
Singapore is using US/Russia Global positioning satellites with ground based solution to implement vehicle tracking.
So far, the country that in fact can do ERP is in fact Japan. The widespread Wifi infrastructure allows anyone to track their own position within tens of metres, with or without GPS satellite, below and above ground and between high rise buildings.
To the stars
http://atntu.ntu.edu.sg/Reports/Pages/Reports.aspx
I remember reading newspaper article some years back that they planning a string of xsat satellites
(09-09-2013, 05:35 PM)sgd Wrote: [ -> ] (09-09-2013, 03:00 PM)yeokiwi Wrote: [ -> ]Quote:They received $1 million each in funding to develop Global Navigation Satellite System-based solutions that could be used for road pricing in Singapore's urban environment.
Singapore is not launching its own positioning constellation. There are only a few countries that have the resources to do that since a single constellation covering the earth will require at least 24 satellites. Even to cover singapore will probably need tens of satellites for full day/night coverage.
Singapore is using US/Russia Global positioning satellites with ground based solution to implement vehicle tracking.
So far, the country that in fact can do ERP is in fact Japan. The widespread Wifi infrastructure allows anyone to track their own position within tens of metres, with or without GPS satellite, below and above ground and between high rise buildings.
To the stars
http://atntu.ntu.edu.sg/Reports/Pages/Reports.aspx
I remember reading newspaper article some years back that they planning a string of xsat satellites
XSAT is a low earth orbit imaging satellite which is different from a GPS satellite that is orbiting in MEO.
The main difficulty in setting up the constellation, besides the building of the satellites, is to launch the satellites into different orbits with different planes. Unless you own and build launchers, it will take a princely sum to put up the constellation provided the space agency or company is willing to do it or able to do it.
For those interested in XSAT, you can track its position via website..
http://www.n2yo.com/satellite/?s=37389
It is coming near singapore at this moment..
(09-09-2013, 03:03 PM)yawnyawn Wrote: [ -> ] (09-09-2013, 10:02 AM)Temperament Wrote: [ -> ] (06-09-2013, 02:48 PM)specuvestor Wrote: [ -> ]Socialism with capitalistic incentive was what made Singapore, so much so that China wanted to learn the model from us.
Goh era of Singapore Inc, thinking the rich would eventually help the poor as aggregate economy improves through taxes and jobs, was what caused a lot of the problems today. The principle has changed
I think it's very interesting to say Quote:The principle has changed
Care to elaborate?
To me everything or every business in Singapore that has something to do with the GOV. must make money or the money must come from the people one way or another. No?
If you think of the COE now, it really crazy. Which country can follow what Singapore's COE system? Name me one and i kow tow to you.
And GOV is experimenting of Satellite tracking your car to make you pay whenever you move your car. No need ERP anymore. What's better then EMP?-"Every Move Pays"
Ha! Ha!
i think GOV will implement one day. Gov may gives motorists some "sweetener" before implementation of "EMP" . That's their style of implementation of many policies. So that you don't have the will to protest strongly. May be some Singaporeans will make noises but usually end in a whimper. Why?
Shanghai has followed Singapore's COE system.
I quote, "The average price for a Shanghai plate soared to 75,000 yuan ($12,000) at the city’s license plate auction over the weekend"
I think that the COE is a very useful tool to control vehicle population. For a city-state like Singapore, we must understand that it is not the priority of a government to allow everyone to own a vehicle. The taxes collected from the COE bidding should be used to fund improvements in public transport, to make it truly world class.
This is not enough. To also control usage, i will hope the government of the day can increase the cost to drive, i.e. by increasing ERP during peak hours. Apparently, the $8 to pass through the gantry at ECP to city is not enough to deter motorists from driving.
I think only the very rich will agree to what you said. Maybe you are one of them? Of course some people are more than equal- Remind me of Animal Farm.
(10-09-2013, 12:08 AM)Temperament Wrote: [ -> ] (09-09-2013, 03:03 PM)yawnyawn Wrote: [ -> ] (09-09-2013, 10:02 AM)Temperament Wrote: [ -> ] (06-09-2013, 02:48 PM)specuvestor Wrote: [ -> ]Socialism with capitalistic incentive was what made Singapore, so much so that China wanted to learn the model from us.
Goh era of Singapore Inc, thinking the rich would eventually help the poor as aggregate economy improves through taxes and jobs, was what caused a lot of the problems today. The principle has changed
I think it's very interesting to say Quote:The principle has changed
Care to elaborate?
To me everything or every business in Singapore that has something to do with the GOV. must make money or the money must come from the people one way or another. No?
If you think of the COE now, it really crazy. Which country can follow what Singapore's COE system? Name me one and i kow tow to you.
And GOV is experimenting of Satellite tracking your car to make you pay whenever you move your car. No need ERP anymore. What's better then EMP?-"Every Move Pays"
Ha! Ha!
i think GOV will implement one day. Gov may gives motorists some "sweetener" before implementation of "EMP" . That's their style of implementation of many policies. So that you don't have the will to protest strongly. May be some Singaporeans will make noises but usually end in a whimper. Why?
Shanghai has followed Singapore's COE system.
I quote, "The average price for a Shanghai plate soared to 75,000 yuan ($12,000) at the city’s license plate auction over the weekend"
I think that the COE is a very useful tool to control vehicle population. For a city-state like Singapore, we must understand that it is not the priority of a government to allow everyone to own a vehicle. The taxes collected from the COE bidding should be used to fund improvements in public transport, to make it truly world class.
This is not enough. To also control usage, i will hope the government of the day can increase the cost to drive, i.e. by increasing ERP during peak hours. Apparently, the $8 to pass through the gantry at ECP to city is not enough to deter motorists from driving.
I think only the very rich will agree to what you said. Maybe you are one of them? Of course some people are more than equal- Remind me of Animal Farm.
I am not in the upper echelon of our society.
I guess losing the opportunity to own a car is part and parcel of living in a landlocked city state. FYI I don't own a vehicle currently. I will love to though... Who doesn't?
(10-09-2013, 12:39 AM)yawnyawn Wrote: [ -> ] (10-09-2013, 12:08 AM)Temperament Wrote: [ -> ] (09-09-2013, 03:03 PM)yawnyawn Wrote: [ -> ] (09-09-2013, 10:02 AM)Temperament Wrote: [ -> ] (06-09-2013, 02:48 PM)specuvestor Wrote: [ -> ]Socialism with capitalistic incentive was what made Singapore, so much so that China wanted to learn the model from us.
Goh era of Singapore Inc, thinking the rich would eventually help the poor as aggregate economy improves through taxes and jobs, was what caused a lot of the problems today. The principle has changed
I think it's very interesting to say Quote:The principle has changed
Care to elaborate?
To me everything or every business in Singapore that has something to do with the GOV. must make money or the money must come from the people one way or another. No?
If you think of the COE now, it really crazy. Which country can follow what Singapore's COE system? Name me one and i kow tow to you.
And GOV is experimenting of Satellite tracking your car to make you pay whenever you move your car. No need ERP anymore. What's better then EMP?-"Every Move Pays"
Ha! Ha!
i think GOV will implement one day. Gov may gives motorists some "sweetener" before implementation of "EMP" . That's their style of implementation of many policies. So that you don't have the will to protest strongly. May be some Singaporeans will make noises but usually end in a whimper. Why?
Shanghai has followed Singapore's COE system.
I quote, "The average price for a Shanghai plate soared to 75,000 yuan ($12,000) at the city’s license plate auction over the weekend"
I think that the COE is a very useful tool to control vehicle population. For a city-state like Singapore, we must understand that it is not the priority of a government to allow everyone to own a vehicle. The taxes collected from the COE bidding should be used to fund improvements in public transport, to make it truly world class.
This is not enough. To also control usage, i will hope the government of the day can increase the cost to drive, i.e. by increasing ERP during peak hours. Apparently, the $8 to pass through the gantry at ECP to city is not enough to deter motorists from driving.
I think only the very rich will agree to what you said. Maybe you are one of them? Of course some people are more than equal- Remind me of Animal Farm.
I am not in the upper echelon of our society.
I guess losing the opportunity to own a car is part and parcel of living in a landlocked city state. FYI I don't own a vehicle currently. I will love to though... Who doesn't?
i mean it's very difficult to be "fair" to everybody in everything but at least the GOV of the day should try. And not to favour certain group or groups of people. What are GOV for?
(10-09-2013, 12:39 AM)yawnyawn Wrote: [ -> ]I am not in the upper echelon of our society.
I guess losing the opportunity to own a car is part and parcel of living in a landlocked city state. FYI I don't own a vehicle currently. I will love to though... Who doesn't?
I don't. Too much hassle. Anyway, I think a car is more of a lifestyle rather than a "need", and my current lifestyle does not need a car. Everyone have their own choice.
(10-09-2013, 07:01 AM)Temperament Wrote: [ -> ]i mean it's very difficult to be "fair" to everybody in everything but at least the GOV of the day should try. And not to favour certain group or groups of people. What are GOV for?
They tried now. Moving the high end "small" cars from Cat A to B. Giving the general population to get themselves a "standard" small car. Need not fight with the rich for COE.
NTL Wrote:I don't. Too much hassle. Anyway, I think a car is more of a lifestyle rather than a "need", and my current lifestyle does not need a car. Everyone have their own choice.
They tried now. Moving the high end "small" cars from Cat A to B. Giving the general population to get themselves a "standard" small car. Need not fight with the rich for COE.
Everyone can do their sums to get the best deal out of existing high coe.
European made cars offer more overtrades for owners' existing car.
And gov penalise those who can do their sums.
Soon enough, the gov will possible do this for jap cars, the. The korean cars.
Eventually cat A will be playing field for china made ones.