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(21-04-2013, 07:41 PM)Nick Wrote: [ -> ]

(21-04-2013, 07:30 PM)Greenrookie Wrote: [ -> ]Anyone know where can I get info about how bonds are rated? Not all bonds are rated. I am looking at CMA 3.8 retail bonds. But I am not sure how to effectively gauge the debt level. CMA is a manager of trusts, and the trusts are geared at different level an the parent is capital land. Will a debt problem at any of these subsidiary or parent company create a domino effect?? Any advice??

CMA is a listed company in SGX - it is a REIT Manager + Sponsor and a regional mall developer. You can review its financial statements to determine the level of risk.

http://capitamallsasia.listedcompany.com/ [Investor Relation Website]

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Hi nick,

I have gone through its prospectus and recent statements. There are generally sound, resilient profits and decent gearing, high interest cover etc. what I dun understand is it enough to look at CMA insolation? So I also be concened about the gearing level of its reits? A big chulk of its money does not come from the management of reits but its development of malls in china. Which it might later injects into the reits. I find capitaland a very confusing web whereby it owns a large part of CMA which in turns manage a numbers of reits that are also listed. What is the effect on CMA say something goes bad at one o it reits? (Downstream) or happen to capitaland ( parents ) says some projects that go sour ... Are their assets ringfenced?? Or will problems at capitaland or one of its reits (particular the captalchina retail REIT ) cause a chain effect on CMA ?? Sorry if my questions are silly

Good to see another guy practising value. His outfit looks pretty new and I hope he can raise assets soon; he seems like a go-getter who has triumphed against the odds!

The Straits Times
www.straitstimes.com
Published on Apr 28, 2013
Me & my money
Number cruncher takes rejection in his stride
Turned down by NTU, dismissed by recruiter, he now runs a fund management firm

By Cheryl Lim

When fund manager Wong Seak Eng was applying for jobs in the investment sector, he was told by a recruiter to not "waste his time".

"He said based on my background, it was unlikely I would get hired because I wasn't English-educated, didn't have a university degree and had no prior industry experience.

"But it didn't bother me because I was very focused on getting what I wanted, so I didn't give up and eventually found an investment firm that believed I was a desirable candidate," said the 34-year-old Singapore permanent resident.

His determination to succeed has seen him through other challenging times.

He said: "Maths and accountancy were my best subjects, but when I applied to Nanyang Technological University's accountancy course, I was rejected twice.

"I suspect it was because my English grades were weak. But I made the best of the situation and went back to Ipoh to work, while studying to become a chartered certified accountant."

Mr Wong returned to Singapore in 2005.

Subsequently, after four years as an investment analyst and portfolio manager at boutique fund management firm Yeoman Capital Management, Mr Wong left and set up Aggregate Asset Management last year with two partners.

The firm manages Aggregate Value Fund, a small-cap Asia fund. The fund doesn't charge sales or management fees and employs the value investment strategy.

This strategy involves investing in stocks of companies that are deemed to be undervalued by the market.

The three founders, together with their friends and families, have pumped $3 million into the fund and aim to raise $20 million by the end of this year.

Mr Wong's wife, Mei Lee, 34, works as an accountant and the couple have two daughters - four-year-old Hee Wuun and two-year-old Ky Yng.

Q: Are you a spender or a saver?

I'm a saver. My wife used to joke that my spending habits are bad for the economy. But now with the new firm, my wife is the main breadwinner in our family and we save about only 10 to 20 per cent of our income.

Q: How much do you charge to your credit cards every month?

Less than $2,000, with most of it spent on household expenses.

Q: What financial planning have you done for yourself?

My wife and I have taken out term and medical insurance policies on ourselves. Both of us pay about $70 to $80 per person per month for term policies that give us a coverage of about $500,000.

The cost for term insurance is low and the coverage amount is high, so I see it as a good way to protect my family against risk.

Q: Moneywise, what were your growing up years like?

My father had his own business in Ipoh selling furniture and my mum used to help him out.

I remember when I was nine years old, the business went bust and my family owed the bank money.

We had to move back in with my grandmother and life was tough, with my parents having frequent fights because of our tight financial situation.

I told myself that I would make sure the same thing didn't happen to me and my wife.

My father eventually started a custom furniture business from my grandmother's house with my mother managing the finances and she was the one who taught me to be careful with money.

Q: How did you get interested in investing?

When I was in secondary school, my accounting teacher would share his share investing experiences with his students during lessons.

This spurred my interest and after I completed secondary school, I started reading up as much as I could about investing, particularly value investing, often spending hours in bookshops.

As my interest grew, I wanted to turn this passion into a career.

Q: What property do you own?

The only property I have is the HDB flat I live in with my family. Property is not something that suits my investment requirements at the moment. You need quite a lot of cash to buy a property and investing in it will mean having to pay off a large debt.

I prefer equities because I believe that you can still make a lot of money from the stock market without having to fork out a large amount of capital.

Q: What's the most extravagant thing you have bought?

A six-year-old, second-hand $38,000 Peugeot car. We bought it in 2011 when my wife was pregnant with my second daughter. I used it to ferry my wife to and from work as travelling on public transport was quite a long and tiring journey for her.

The car was in excellent condition when we bought it and there was very little mileage so I intend to drive it until its certificate of entitlement expires.

Q: What's your retirement plan?

Honestly, it hasn't crossed my mind yet as I am still young. I like investing and I don't think I would retire early.

Some of the great investors that I know of have worked for as long as their health allowed them to. Just take Warren Buffett as an example. He is still working in Berkshire Hathaway after more than 40 years.

Q: Home is now...

A five-bedroom HDB flat in Chai Chee. We bought it in 2009 after viewing more than 100 homes in many parts of Singapore.

The bankers were prepared to offer us a high-quantum loan back then, but we didn't want to over-stretch our finances, so we took a 20-year mortgage instead and we're aiming to pay up as soon as we can.

Q: I drive...

A Peugeot 407.

cherlim@sph.com.sg

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WORST AND BEST BETS

Q: What is your worst investment to date?

It was a technology company listed on the Kuala Lumpur Stock Exchange. I can’t remember the exact name of the company, just that it produced audio equipment.

I made the investment in the early stages of my investment journey, some time in 2005, and lost 100 per cent of my initial capital which amounted to a few thousand Malaysian ringgit because of the financial shenanigans in the company.

The lesson learnt from this was that I needed to have a diversified portfolio and not to “fall in love” with any company I invest in.

Q: What is your best investment to date?

My best bet was on a glove maker in Malaysia. I had invested about RM5,000, and within one to two years, the stock had risen almost four times to around RM20,000. After I sold the shares, the stock continued to rise further but I don’t feel any regret, it’s impossible to predict the market and sell right at the peak.

(28-04-2013, 11:02 AM)Musicwhiz Wrote: [ -> ]Good to see another guy practising value. His outfit looks pretty new and I hope he can raise assets soon; he seems like a go-getter who has triumphed against the odds!

The Straits Times
www.straitstimes.com
Published on Apr 28, 2013
Me & my money
Number cruncher takes rejection in his stride
Turned down by NTU, dismissed by recruiter, he now runs a fund management firm

By Cheryl Lim

When fund manager Wong Seak Eng was applying for jobs in the investment sector, he was told by a recruiter to not "waste his time".

"He said based on my background, it was unlikely I would get hired because I wasn't English-educated, didn't have a university degree and had no prior industry experience.

"But it didn't bother me because I was very focused on getting what I wanted, so I didn't give up and eventually found an investment firm that believed I was a desirable candidate," said the 34-year-old Singapore permanent resident.

His determination to succeed has seen him through other challenging times.

He said: "Maths and accountancy were my best subjects, but when I applied to Nanyang Technological University's accountancy course, I was rejected twice.

"I suspect it was because my English grades were weak. But I made the best of the situation and went back to Ipoh to work, while studying to become a chartered certified accountant."

Mr Wong returned to Singapore in 2005.

Subsequently, after four years as an investment analyst and portfolio manager at boutique fund management firm Yeoman Capital Management, Mr Wong left and set up Aggregate Asset Management last year with two partners.

The firm manages Aggregate Value Fund, a small-cap Asia fund. The fund doesn't charge sales or management fees and employs the value investment strategy.

This strategy involves investing in stocks of companies that are deemed to be undervalued by the market.

The three founders, together with their friends and families, have pumped $3 million into the fund and aim to raise $20 million by the end of this year.

Mr Wong's wife, Mei Lee, 34, works as an accountant and the couple have two daughters - four-year-old Hee Wuun and two-year-old Ky Yng.

Q: Are you a spender or a saver?

I'm a saver. My wife used to joke that my spending habits are bad for the economy. But now with the new firm, my wife is the main breadwinner in our family and we save about only 10 to 20 per cent of our income.

Q: How much do you charge to your credit cards every month?

Less than $2,000, with most of it spent on household expenses.

Q: What financial planning have you done for yourself?

My wife and I have taken out term and medical insurance policies on ourselves. Both of us pay about $70 to $80 per person per month for term policies that give us a coverage of about $500,000.

The cost for term insurance is low and the coverage amount is high, so I see it as a good way to protect my family against risk.

Q: Moneywise, what were your growing up years like?

My father had his own business in Ipoh selling furniture and my mum used to help him out.

I remember when I was nine years old, the business went bust and my family owed the bank money.

We had to move back in with my grandmother and life was tough, with my parents having frequent fights because of our tight financial situation.

I told myself that I would make sure the same thing didn't happen to me and my wife.

My father eventually started a custom furniture business from my grandmother's house with my mother managing the finances and she was the one who taught me to be careful with money.

Q: How did you get interested in investing?

When I was in secondary school, my accounting teacher would share his share investing experiences with his students during lessons.

This spurred my interest and after I completed secondary school, I started reading up as much as I could about investing, particularly value investing, often spending hours in bookshops.

As my interest grew, I wanted to turn this passion into a career.

Q: What property do you own?

The only property I have is the HDB flat I live in with my family. Property is not something that suits my investment requirements at the moment. You need quite a lot of cash to buy a property and investing in it will mean having to pay off a large debt.

I prefer equities because I believe that you can still make a lot of money from the stock market without having to fork out a large amount of capital.

Q: What's the most extravagant thing you have bought?

A six-year-old, second-hand $38,000 Peugeot car. We bought it in 2011 when my wife was pregnant with my second daughter. I used it to ferry my wife to and from work as travelling on public transport was quite a long and tiring journey for her.

The car was in excellent condition when we bought it and there was very little mileage so I intend to drive it until its certificate of entitlement expires.

Q: What's your retirement plan?

Honestly, it hasn't crossed my mind yet as I am still young. I like investing and I don't think I would retire early.

Some of the great investors that I know of have worked for as long as their health allowed them to. Just take Warren Buffett as an example. He is still working in Berkshire Hathaway after more than 40 years.

Q: Home is now...

A five-bedroom HDB flat in Chai Chee. We bought it in 2009 after viewing more than 100 homes in many parts of Singapore.

The bankers were prepared to offer us a high-quantum loan back then, but we didn't want to over-stretch our finances, so we took a 20-year mortgage instead and we're aiming to pay up as soon as we can.

Q: I drive...

A Peugeot 407.

cherlim@sph.com.sg

------------------------
WORST AND BEST BETS

Q: What is your worst investment to date?

It was a technology company listed on the Kuala Lumpur Stock Exchange. I can’t remember the exact name of the company, just that it produced audio equipment.

I made the investment in the early stages of my investment journey, some time in 2005, and lost 100 per cent of my initial capital which amounted to a few thousand Malaysian ringgit because of the financial shenanigans in the company.

The lesson learnt from this was that I needed to have a diversified portfolio and not to “fall in love” with any company I invest in.

Q: What is your best investment to date?

My best bet was on a glove maker in Malaysia. I had invested about RM5,000, and within one to two years, the stock had risen almost four times to around RM20,000. After I sold the shares, the stock continued to rise further but I don’t feel any regret, it’s impossible to predict the market and sell right at the peak.

Article on the setting up the fund.

Quote:The three founders, together with their friends and families, have pumped $3 million into the fund and aim to raise $20 million by the end of this year.

S$3 million is a tad too little isn't it? Does many small boutique fund start at this figure??
I suppose many sophisticated investors will avoid big funds in the regions of $billion but I suppose S$3 million sounds too little to have any confidence in the manager? With four years of investment experience in Yeoman, I thought he should have gotten some big fishes to pump money for the initial launch.

http://media.wix.com/ugd//2371d3_7ad63b8...a12ba.xlsx
The result since Dec 12 does not seem fantastic. But well, it is just a short period and may not be indicative.

(28-04-2013, 11:34 AM)yeokiwi Wrote: [ -> ]S$3 million is a tad too little isn't it? Does many small boutique fund start at this figure??
I suppose many sophisticated investors will avoid big funds in the regions of $billion but I suppose S$3 million sounds too little to have any confidence in the manager? With four years of investment experience in Yeoman, I thought he should have gotten some big fishes to pump money for the initial launch.

I think $3 million sounds decent, considering he is investing in small caps which normally may not have much liquidity and which have lower absolute share prices. It may not take a lot of money to acquire a decent stake.

Furthermore, this is just start-up capital and I think if he shows that his techniques and analysis are good (and successful), he would have no problems attracting more money to boost his AUM.

is this the fund that hyom was mentioning previously?

(28-04-2013, 01:11 PM)pianist Wrote: [ -> ]is this the fund that hyom was mentioning previously?

I did write an article on the characteristics of a good fund manager using them as examples on my blog but don't recall ever mentioning them on Valuebuddies forum in the past.

Since they are a new fund and the impressive personal investment track record of one of the fund managers (Eric Kong) is not audited, I cannot vouch for their ability. What I can vouch for is that they got their incentives right. By taking away the fund management fee, they used a fair incentive structure for their clients when the rest of the industry did not. This is why I hope they will succeed. If they succeed, the rest of the fund managers are pressured to follow suit. Ultimately, the benefits will go to clients. I am not eligible to be among the beneficiaries should that day come.

The financial services industry is plagued with conflicts of interests that work against clients. It is easy to respect someone who makes a change to benefit his clients fairly at his own expense. But it is also not unfair if the fund manager at least charge a minimum management fee to cover his cost. It should not be a surprise if the Founders of Aggregate Asset Management are unpopular among the fund managers.

(28-04-2013, 11:34 AM)yeokiwi Wrote: [ -> ]

Quote:The three founders, together with their friends and families, have pumped $3 million into the fund and aim to raise $20 million by the end of this year.

S$3 million is a tad too little isn't it? Does many small boutique fund start at this figure??
I suppose many sophisticated investors will avoid big funds in the regions of $billion but I suppose S$3 million sounds too little to have any confidence in the manager? With four years of investment experience in Yeoman, I thought he should have gotten some big fishes to pump money for the initial launch.

http://media.wix.com/ugd//2371d3_7ad63b8...a12ba.xlsx
The result since Dec 12 does not seem fantastic. But well, it is just a short period and may not be indicative.

Hi Yeokiwi,

I suppose it would take time to deploy the capital, especially when buying into small caps. Its much easier for poor people like me where i deploy my capital in a trade or two

(28-04-2013, 11:34 AM)yeokiwi Wrote: [ -> ]

Quote:The three founders, together with their friends and families, have pumped $3 million into the fund and aim to raise $20 million by the end of this year.

S$3 million is a tad too little isn't it? Does many small boutique fund start at this figure??
I suppose many sophisticated investors will avoid big funds in the regions of $billion but I suppose S$3 million sounds too little to have any confidence in the manager? With four years of investment experience in Yeoman, I thought he should have gotten some big fishes to pump money for the initial launch.

http://media.wix.com/ugd//2371d3_7ad63b8...a12ba.xlsx
The result since Dec 12 does not seem fantastic. But well, it is just a short period and may not be indicative.

Base on info from Ronald Chan's book, The Value Investors, the boutique funds usually started-up with few million, then grew larger later. So it should be a typical size of a start-up boutique fund.