A Newbie Guide to Investing

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shareinvestor.com is my favorite for company's fundamental analysis. But it doesn't provide fundamental information for HK listed companies.

Anyone knows any similar website which provides fundamental analysis and provide stock alert notification information for HongKong listed companies?

I tried finance.yahoo.com but it's alert services do not work.
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shareinvestor.com is my favorite for company's fundamental analysis. But it doesn't provide fundamental information for HK listed companies.

Anyone knows any similar website which provides fundamental analysis and provide stock alert notification information for HongKong listed companies?

I tried finance.yahoo.com but it's alert services do not work.
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(09-02-2014, 04:51 PM)yogi Wrote: shareinvestor.com is my favorite for company's fundamental analysis. But it doesn't provide fundamental information for HK listed companies.

Anyone knows any similar website which provides fundamental analysis and provide stock alert notification information for HongKong listed companies?

I tried finance.yahoo.com but it's alert services do not work.

You can refer to another thread, which likely answer your question.

http://www.valuebuddies.com/thread-4407.html
“夏则资皮,冬则资纱,旱则资船,水则资车” - 范蠡
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(09-02-2014, 04:51 PM)yogi Wrote: shareinvestor.com is my favorite for company's fundamental analysis. But it doesn't provide fundamental information for HK listed companies.

Anyone knows any similar website which provides fundamental analysis and provide stock alert notification information for HongKong listed companies?

I tried finance.yahoo.com but it's alert services do not work.

You can refer to another thread, which likely answer your question.

http://www.valuebuddies.com/thread-4407.html
“夏则资皮,冬则资纱,旱则资船,水则资车” - 范蠡
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(22-11-2013, 06:59 AM)opmi Wrote:
(21-11-2013, 10:19 PM)8ALEX8 Wrote: Hi all out there. Im a new investor learning to learn how to valuate companies. I've tried some methods like NAV, discounted earnings and discounted free caah flow. But i somehow just doesnt know how to link those bacl to the current share price an how do i get a margin of safety.

Can any1 out there pls enlighten me.
God bless.

step 1, start with the easy and most predictable method - NAV.

step 2 , make adjustment to the NAV (Asset - Liability) component by revaluing conservatively and discounting agressively each component. total it up. for RNAV.

step 3, Buy when share price is 30-50% below RNAV. this is your margin of safety (MOS). MOS comes from 2 parts - discount to RNAV and your very conservative RNAV.

that;s all to it. simplisticly...haha...

Hi, may I know if there's any thread or information or how to do a RNAV properly? A search online doesn't give clear answers. Apparently there are also many RNAV methods from what I read http://yuzulogy.blogspot.sg/2011/12/i-ha...-over.html

Lastly, how do you go about finding the current valuation of the property assets? i.e. psf, gfa of hotels, residential, retails, offices etc.
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(22-11-2013, 06:59 AM)opmi Wrote:
(21-11-2013, 10:19 PM)8ALEX8 Wrote: Hi all out there. Im a new investor learning to learn how to valuate companies. I've tried some methods like NAV, discounted earnings and discounted free caah flow. But i somehow just doesnt know how to link those bacl to the current share price an how do i get a margin of safety.

Can any1 out there pls enlighten me.
God bless.

step 1, start with the easy and most predictable method - NAV.

step 2 , make adjustment to the NAV (Asset - Liability) component by revaluing conservatively and discounting agressively each component. total it up. for RNAV.

step 3, Buy when share price is 30-50% below RNAV. this is your margin of safety (MOS). MOS comes from 2 parts - discount to RNAV and your very conservative RNAV.

that;s all to it. simplisticly...haha...

Hi, may I know if there's any thread or information or how to do a RNAV properly? A search online doesn't give clear answers. Apparently there are also many RNAV methods from what I read http://yuzulogy.blogspot.sg/2011/12/i-ha...-over.html

Lastly, how do you go about finding the current valuation of the property assets? i.e. psf, gfa of hotels, residential, retails, offices etc.
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Hi all,

I was thinking of creating an excel spreadsheet to tabulate important financial info extracted from annual reports. Then I came across morningstar and realised that they provide info over up to 10 years.

So do you guys actually bother with excel or is the direct info from morningstar accurate enough to be relied on?
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Hi all,

I was thinking of creating an excel spreadsheet to tabulate important financial info extracted from annual reports. Then I came across morningstar and realised that they provide info over up to 10 years.

So do you guys actually bother with excel or is the direct info from morningstar accurate enough to be relied on?
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(06-03-2014, 12:05 AM)Ferns Wrote: Hi all,

I was thinking of creating an excel spreadsheet to tabulate important financial info extracted from annual reports. Then I came across morningstar and realised that they provide info over up to 10 years.

So do you guys actually bother with excel or is the direct info from morningstar accurate enough to be relied on?

I use the info from website for initial stock filtering. Once detail analysis needed, I will start to use excel. "Adjustments" are needed for quite a number of ratios, with more knowledge on the stock. That is the time the excel helps.
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(06-03-2014, 12:05 AM)Ferns Wrote: Hi all,

I was thinking of creating an excel spreadsheet to tabulate important financial info extracted from annual reports. Then I came across morningstar and realised that they provide info over up to 10 years.

So do you guys actually bother with excel or is the direct info from morningstar accurate enough to be relied on?

I use the info from website for initial stock filtering. Once detail analysis needed, I will start to use excel. "Adjustments" are needed for quite a number of ratios, with more knowledge on the stock. That is the time the excel helps.
“夏则资皮,冬则资纱,旱则资船,水则资车” - 范蠡
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This may sound like a newbie question, but well, it's a newbie thread! Smile

I was trying to buy 11 lots (worth $10k-ish) of a particular stock, however, it had low volume. So in the end I only got 5 lots.

As I'm using cash upfront via DBS, I was still charged $18 commission on the 5 lots, even though the order wasn't complete.

Question: What could I have done to avoid that? How could I ever buy into a particular stock if it has low transaction volume?

From what it seems, even if I think I've found a good stock, many others would have found it too, bought it and held on to it, resulting in low liquidity.

From what I know so far, one way to avoid this situation is to use SCB to buy shares. If I still wanted to stay with DBS because of the low commission, is there any other alternative to buy all 11 lots or nothing, instead of partially filling it?

Cheers
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This may sound like a newbie question, but well, it's a newbie thread! Smile

I was trying to buy 11 lots (worth $10k-ish) of a particular stock, however, it had low volume. So in the end I only got 5 lots.

As I'm using cash upfront via DBS, I was still charged $18 commission on the 5 lots, even though the order wasn't complete.

Question: What could I have done to avoid that? How could I ever buy into a particular stock if it has low transaction volume?

From what it seems, even if I think I've found a good stock, many others would have found it too, bought it and held on to it, resulting in low liquidity.

From what I know so far, one way to avoid this situation is to use SCB to buy shares. If I still wanted to stay with DBS because of the low commission, is there any other alternative to buy all 11 lots or nothing, instead of partially filling it?

Cheers
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Hi Ferns,

Unfortunately, there is no "All or None" order in DBS Vickers Cash Upfront platform. What you can do is really to avoid putting in limit orders to queue for shares. Which means, when there is a ready seller for 11 lots of the shares at a price that you want to transact, just put in a market order and buy all the 11 lots in one go. Once you queue, you run the risk of getting a partially filled order.

Alternatively, in your above case, you can choose to buy back the remaining 6 lots of the shares on the same market day after you discovered that you only got 5 out of 11 lots filled. But of course, the price of the remaining 6 lots might be transacted at an unfavourable price.
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Hi Ferns,

Unfortunately, there is no "All or None" order in DBS Vickers Cash Upfront platform. What you can do is really to avoid putting in limit orders to queue for shares. Which means, when there is a ready seller for 11 lots of the shares at a price that you want to transact, just put in a market order and buy all the 11 lots in one go. Once you queue, you run the risk of getting a partially filled order.

Alternatively, in your above case, you can choose to buy back the remaining 6 lots of the shares on the same market day after you discovered that you only got 5 out of 11 lots filled. But of course, the price of the remaining 6 lots might be transacted at an unfavourable price.
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(21-03-2014, 02:14 PM)ghchua Wrote: Hi Ferns,

Unfortunately, there is no "All or None" order in DBS Vickers Cash Upfront platform. What you can do is really to avoid putting in limit orders to queue for shares. Which means, when there is a ready seller for 11 lots of the shares at a price that you want to transact, just put in a market order and buy all the 11 lots in one go. Once you queue, you run the risk of getting a partially filled order.

Alternatively, in your above case, you can choose to buy back the remaining 6 lots of the shares on the same market day after you discovered that you only got 5 out of 11 lots filled. But of course, the price of the remaining 6 lots might be transacted at an unfavourable price.

Thanks ghchua!

To clarify, that means one option is to check SGX for the svol to show the amount I want to buy then decide whether I want to buy at that price. However, if I don't have the time to monitor it, the other option is to just inform a broker about my wish and hope he can get it eventually?

Cheers!
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(21-03-2014, 02:14 PM)ghchua Wrote: Hi Ferns,

Unfortunately, there is no "All or None" order in DBS Vickers Cash Upfront platform. What you can do is really to avoid putting in limit orders to queue for shares. Which means, when there is a ready seller for 11 lots of the shares at a price that you want to transact, just put in a market order and buy all the 11 lots in one go. Once you queue, you run the risk of getting a partially filled order.

Alternatively, in your above case, you can choose to buy back the remaining 6 lots of the shares on the same market day after you discovered that you only got 5 out of 11 lots filled. But of course, the price of the remaining 6 lots might be transacted at an unfavourable price.

Thanks ghchua!

To clarify, that means one option is to check SGX for the svol to show the amount I want to buy then decide whether I want to buy at that price. However, if I don't have the time to monitor it, the other option is to just inform a broker about my wish and hope he can get it eventually?

Cheers!
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Hi Ferns,

Of course you can ask your broker to monitor for you. That will be better. But I don't think your broker will get any commission if you use the DBS Vickers Cash Upfront platform. And if you ask your broker to do it for you, I don't know whether you will be paying a higher commission.

To put it simply, when I use the DBS Vickers Cash Upfront platform, I don't expect any help from my broker because the commission is cheaper. If you need to go through your broker, do check the rates he/she charges and make sure it makes sense. Otherwise, it is better for you to do it yourself.

SCB is different because it is a nominees account and therefore the charges are cheaper.
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Hi Ferns,

Of course you can ask your broker to monitor for you. That will be better. But I don't think your broker will get any commission if you use the DBS Vickers Cash Upfront platform. And if you ask your broker to do it for you, I don't know whether you will be paying a higher commission.

To put it simply, when I use the DBS Vickers Cash Upfront platform, I don't expect any help from my broker because the commission is cheaper. If you need to go through your broker, do check the rates he/she charges and make sure it makes sense. Otherwise, it is better for you to do it yourself.

SCB is different because it is a nominees account and therefore the charges are cheaper.
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