Patience the 'best' stock strategy

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#1
What irresponsible advice from Phillips Capital! Then again, readers should probably know what motivates them - brokerage fees from frequent trading! (See para highlighted in BOLD).

The Straits Times
May 19, 2012
Patience the 'best' stock strategy

Market has lost gains from Q1 and analysts expect prices to fall further

By YASMINE YAHYA

THE market has lost most of the gains it made in the first three months of the year but patience is still the best strategy right now.

While stocks are much cheaper than in February or March, analysts say they are likely to fall further.

The benchmark Straits Times Index (STI) has lost 8 per cent of its value since reaching 3,026.4 on March 14 - the highest point this year.

ABN Amro's vice-president of equity research in Asia, Ms Neo Chiu Yen, said the index could slide by another 5 per cent to 10 per cent over the next few months.

'Broadly speaking, fewer companies in the first quarter reported results that fell below our forecasts as compared with the fourth quarter, so that's positive, but the global economic outlook has deteriorated so sharply that there is a downside bias,' she said.

ABN Amro's technical team expects that the STI would reach its next support level somewhere between 2,521 and 2,648.

PhillipCapital's head of research Lee Kok Joo agreed, saying there will likely be more volatility ahead as the market grapples with increasingly pessimistic views out of the euro zone.

'Definitely, a lot of stocks have come down from their peak prices so it looks like they are priced at a bargain right now, but if you take into account the level of uncertainty in the global economy, then I would say they are not bargains.'

His advice: If you must play in the stock market, engage in short-term trades - buy and sell within a few days - instead of buying and holding.

And even then, only trade stocks with good fundamentals - a strong business and a solid balance sheet.

'Names such as SIA Engineering and ST Engineering, and other stocks that pay good dividends, are better in this climate,' he said.

'So even if the whole market is not doing well, at the end of the day the fundamentals of these companies are still sound and even if their capital values fall, you would still earn returns from their dividends.'

ABN Amro's Ms Neo likes shares in the tourism, food and beverage and technology sectors.

The growing affluence of the Asean consumer will continue to propel earnings in the hospitality, gaming and retail sectors, she said.

'The Asean consumer is still very strong, so even if Singapore visitor arrivals moderate, there will still be good inflows of tourists.'

As with the tourism-related companies, food and beverage firms will be lifted by the increasingly rich Asean consumer, while also benefiting from declining raw material prices, she added.

'If you look at the commodities index, that has been trending down so food and beverage firms will have a cost reprieve there, which will help their margins.'

She is also positive on technology firms that have manufacturing plants in Singapore and Malaysia.

Since last year's earthquake in Japan and floods in Thailand, more international firms are outsourcing part of their production to Singapore and Malaysia, which are seen as stable and safe areas, she said.

Companies with production lines here would benefit from these orders.

Fundsupermart's investment planning manager Cheong Chee Kin advises diversification through unit trusts in this rocky market.

'Valuations are compelling, but it's not the best time to do bargain hunting,' he noted.

Instead of picking individual stocks, he said, it would be better to buy a unit trust with stocks representing various industries.

'We take a long-term view and we believe that earnings of Singapore firms will remain strong over the next several years, and these earnings will drive the stock market.'

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#2
thats y 95% of pple who trade end up losers, in such uncertain times maybe even greater percentages. if contra or buy on leverages, even worse. the only winners are the brokerages and of course those with courage to go in and buy good stocks with good fundamentals at bargain prices and holding on to them.
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{And even then, only trade stocks with good fundamentals - a strong business and a solid balance sheet.

'Names such as SIA Engineering and ST Engineering, and other stocks that pay good dividends, are better in this climate,' he said.

'So even if the whole market is not doing well, at the end of the day the fundamentals of these companies are still sound and even if their capital values fall, you would still earn returns from their dividends.'}

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Most people trade like "mad" in a Bull-trending market, as it seems so easy to make money. Buy today you make money tomorrow. but if there is a SEPT-11 like event again, all the past trading gains may be wiped out and you are holding stocks at the "peak" price. You have to wait for the next Bull cycle to maybe break even only. That is usually a long long time. If you don't have "holding power", that maybe the last of your capital in the stock market.

So i have this "crazy idea". i like to trade in bear-trending market or even bear market. Though it seems i hardly can make any money. Why? It is because i believe in the above quotation. Not only that if you have "holding power" (long-term investing money) it means you can wait as long as you want or choose when to sell. If you want to call it market timing it is O. K. for me. But i like to call it time in the market. (Don't value investors believe in time in the market too?)

But one caveat emptor about this idea. i found if i buy and accumulate and hold is so much better than trading. You can doubt me. But when the market turns suddenly, you will know there is truth in what i say. You regret you have trade away some at very low prices. Ah.... if only you have buy & accumulate & hold.
There you see i am "Rojak Investor", borrowing people's idea.TongueBig Grin
"Caveat Emptor"Smile
WB:-

1) Rule # 1, do not lose money.
2) Rule # 2, refer to # 1.
3) Not until you can manage your emotions, you can manage your money.

Truism of Investments.
A) Buying a security is buying RISK not Return
B) You can control RISK (to a certain level, hopefully only.) But definitely not the outcome of the Return.

NB:-
My signature is meant for psychoing myself. No offence to anyone. i am trying not to lose money unnecessary anymore.
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#4
looks like deja vu to me. The events since GFC is quite similar to AFC that erupted in 1997. Of course the location has shifted from Asia to Europe since the Euro problem really started when AFC was in full swing.

Fast forward if trend analysis remains valid, we probably have another 1 more year of turbulence before crazy years that will be shaping up - mkt took off from late 03 onwards to end in spectacular fashion by 07.

Greece is a matter of timing and the world has sufficient experience to resolve the ongoing crisis - similar to how they resolve Latin and South American economic crisis before.

Moreover, western democracy already tell policy makers that austerity has no room to resolve historical excesses - hence it will be a matter of time that loose economic policies make a comeback.

Noone gave US a chance to ever pull itself together - but US economy is certainly a beacon of light in recent turbulence even though its green shoots.

Never be an ostrich burying its head underground pretending nothing is happening - so long as human beings are around, the basic survival will drive the need to put food on the table and hence the need to make a living.

Valuebuddies meantime will keep hunting down values that suit our individual risks profiles. Indeed patience and hard work is the "best" stock strategy.
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#5
I think he sells Medicine.

Unit Trusts majority i feel is rubbish long term ironically due to the fees. And you will find out to your dismay after investing long term if you are lucky. There maybe a little opportunity in market we can try for spike gains short term IMO. Sorry for being impolite.

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(20-05-2012, 09:48 AM)corydorus Wrote: I think he sells Medicine.

Unit Trusts majority i feel is rubbish long term ironically due to the fees. And you will find out to your dismay after investing long term if you are lucky. There maybe a little opportunity in market we can try for spike gains short term IMO. Sorry for being impolite.

Cory

Unit Trusts bought directly from banks are really rubbish, since they charge as high as 5% for the front-end fee and they have 1%+ annual management fee. (else who pays for the commission of the salesman) Assuming you are holding for 5 years, total annual fee will be 2%+. Since the fixed deposit rate is around 1% (risk free rate), the fund will have to deliver more than 3+% return annually before you are really in the profit.

Funds bought from Philip as well as Fundsupermart are much much cheaper in terms of the front-end fee (0.5%-1%), but the annual management fee can still prove to be a killer.

ETFs is still the best option for those looking at unit trust. Only caveat is that you need to pass SIPs though ETFs is so much better than Unit Trusts
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#7
There's nothing wrong with the Buy & Hold strategy. Ok, Ok,.. How many of you just fell off your chair seeing me post that? Big Grin

What's wrong is the non-observance of this Warren Buffett (he says his shifu, Benjamin Graham taught him that) statement,

'Price is what you pay, Value is what you get'

ie. If you'd insisted on paying for your stock at a super forward (HIGH) valuations, then you'd expect a big drop in times like now and very likely, you'll have to hold for a very long time to see it ever recover. It may not even recover if it's not the Growth Stock that you thought it was as you'd not done your homework and chose to believe all the wonderful fairy tales being spun around it's potential Growth. Similarly, if you'd insisted on holding on to your favourite stock despite it having risen a lot (PE becoming a lot higher than potential growth), and thinking that the sky is the limit,....

Never mind.. Live and Learn. Don't blame the Buy-and-Hold approach and hopefully, we can become better investors.. Cool
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(20-05-2012, 10:27 AM)shanrui_91 Wrote:
(20-05-2012, 09:48 AM)corydorus Wrote: I think he sells Medicine.

Unit Trusts majority i feel is rubbish long term ironically due to the fees. And you will find out to your dismay after investing long term if you are lucky. There maybe a little opportunity in market we can try for spike gains short term IMO. Sorry for being impolite.

Cory

Unit Trusts bought directly from banks are really rubbish, since they charge as high as 5% for the front-end fee and they have 1%+ annual management fee. (else who pays for the commission of the salesman) Assuming you are holding for 5 years, total annual fee will be 2%+. Since the fixed deposit rate is around 1% (risk free rate), the fund will have to deliver more than 3+% return annually before you are really in the profit.

Funds bought from Philip as well as Fundsupermart are much much cheaper in terms of the front-end fee (0.5%-1%), but the annual management fee can still prove to be a killer.

ETFs is still the best option for those looking at unit trust. Only caveat is that you need to pass SIPs though ETFs is so much better than Unit Trusts

Ya! you never make money in units trust. Not only that the worst case is you have to pay management fees yearly. So if the management fees is dividends payment to you instead, how wonderful and powderful.
Imagine a "portfolio of DIY stocks" that can even pay for your yearly expenses (for retiree) in term of dividends return in Bear or Bull markets. (If your portfolio is large enough).
Now try it with a "portfolio of unit trust". i guarantee you will regret most of the years. Believe me i had the highest dividends return in 2008/2009 so far in my "DIY portfolio" - Definitely not in bull-trending markets. Why? i don't know leh?TongueBig Grin
WB:-

1) Rule # 1, do not lose money.
2) Rule # 2, refer to # 1.
3) Not until you can manage your emotions, you can manage your money.

Truism of Investments.
A) Buying a security is buying RISK not Return
B) You can control RISK (to a certain level, hopefully only.) But definitely not the outcome of the Return.

NB:-
My signature is meant for psychoing myself. No offence to anyone. i am trying not to lose money unnecessary anymore.
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(20-05-2012, 11:39 AM)Temperament Wrote: Believe me i had the highest dividends return in 2008/2009 so far in my "DIY portfolio" - Definitely not in bull-trending markets. Why? i don't know leh?TongueBig Grin

Bear mkt u kena stuck, can't bear to sell at a loss, so collect dividends then end up with record dividends for that year.

Bull mkt, u itchy finger, Buy-Sell-Buy-Sell,... don't hv chance to hold till xd, so no or little dividends.. maybe record Capital Gains?? Tongue
Luck & Fortune Favours those who are Prepared & Decisive when Opportunity Knocks
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(20-05-2012, 11:56 AM)KopiKat Wrote:
(20-05-2012, 11:39 AM)Temperament Wrote: Believe me i had the highest dividends return in 2008/2009 so far in my "DIY portfolio" - Definitely not in bull-trending markets. Why? i don't know leh?TongueBig Grin

Bear mkt u kena stuck, can't bear to sell at a loss, so collect dividends then end up with record dividends for that year.

Bull mkt, u itchy finger, Buy-Sell-Buy-Sell,... don't hv chance to hold till xd, so no or little dividends.. maybe record Capital Gains?? Tongue

Half correct lah! TongueBig GrinSmile
WB:-

1) Rule # 1, do not lose money.
2) Rule # 2, refer to # 1.
3) Not until you can manage your emotions, you can manage your money.

Truism of Investments.
A) Buying a security is buying RISK not Return
B) You can control RISK (to a certain level, hopefully only.) But definitely not the outcome of the Return.

NB:-
My signature is meant for psychoing myself. No offence to anyone. i am trying not to lose money unnecessary anymore.
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