(12-12-2013, 05:35 AM)Temperament Wrote: [ -> ]Quote:-
Quote:"Whether your effort is right or just false assumption, I would applaud you whichever way. Nothing to celebrate, nothing to defend unless one just takes everything written here as a "battle". Either win to reinforce your own belief or lose and enforce your own belief. Whichever way, life would still go on as normal. No trumpet, no booing. I would also accept whatever the conclusion is after (emphasis added) investigation is completed."
Unquote:
i think it's not a matter of win or lose or to show how clever we are.
When we, Singaporeans witnessed the PRC Bus Strike and now India nationals RIOT in LITTLE INDIA, we simply know they are very different from us.
May i bring out here even our MM said 山 高皇帝远 mentality of the PRC CHINESE regarding the SOO CHOW Park Agreement.
i think it applies to the India Nationals here in Singapore too.
With this type of 山 高皇帝远 mentality of these PRC CHINESE & India Nationals FWs, do you agree Singaporeans are duly worried about Singapore future?
If we don't voice out our worries now after the India National Riot then when?
When Singapore lost it's identity to FWs & FTs, completely?
Then it's too late baby now, it's too late to worry. It's over. (As the lyrics in a song says).
NB:
It's a matter of our livelihood now and our future; Our children's future. We can not wait until the next GE. We have to voice out every now and then when detrimental events occur in Singapore to our G. So that hopefully our G can fine tune the country's policies for the benefit of all Singaporeans and not the "Elites" only.
One thing we need to protect is the basic right to speak up, and without fear. Our edu system has 'trained' many not to question and there will be side effect to this.
It is the right thing to do to continuously evaluate things that r happening, and 4 yrs could be too long in this fast chging world. Some things/events could be irreversible. Many problms that we are seeing now, could have been prevented if actions are taken earlier.
(11-12-2013, 10:59 PM)Some-one Wrote: [ -> ] (11-12-2013, 04:38 PM)specuvestor Wrote: [ -> ]The fact that Some-one cannot comprehend how Blumont is foreseeable or Little India riot is linked to policies render our discussion fruitless.
He is entitled to his opinions in his discrete world and I am entitled to my rational posts where events have a catalyst, which I think my posts in aggregate and historically has not been deemed nonsensical nor sensational I hope.
The next few weeks when tempers calm we will see what transpired, and whether my mosiac effort is right or just false assumptions
I didn't know that there is a difference between your post and my post. Mine is deemed as discreet and yours is deemed as rational. Perhaps Cityfarmer may wish to clarify if there is such a difference for different posts? 
It's good to have different opinions. I have been lucky enough to be given a chance to counsel some of the workers and it is definitely not what some people have perceived it to be and I am still cool (i.e. no temper). Social work has given me a different perspective in life. Human behaviours have never been predictable.
Whether your effort is right or just false assumption, I would applaud you whichever way. Nothing to celebrate, nothing to defend unless one just takes everything written here as a "battle". Either win to reinforce your own belief or lose and enforce your own belief. Whichever way, life would still go on as normal. No trumpet, no booing. I would also accept whatever the conclusion is after (emphasis added) investigation is completed.
Discrete because u don't see events as being related.
Again we are assuming the police did a good job just watching a video and a press statement from DPM. Surely he will defend the Home Team? Aren't we one-sided?
Yet it is a reasonable assumption based on the facts of the event with speedy dispersal and not a single shot fired. We don't need a DPM statement to tell us that. It only confirms what we know if we look at the event rationally.
Police with a six round revolver is not designed to tackle a crowd where herd instincts rule. What happen if they don't disperse after a round is fired into the sky and you anger them? Shoot 5? The baton and shield are much well designed to inflict pain and not cause death, if handled properly. And of course there are water-canons and tear gas for the riot squads. To belittle the police officers that are not designed for the task is equivalent to asking STAR team to do a commando incursion.
There are people who invest only when the sky is clear as summer noon, but we know what are the issues with that vs doing our homework and making reasonable guesstimates. Our minds work on heuristics, assumptions based on reasonable and well guided facts, are different from jumping to conclusions with biased pre-judgement, or in some cases sensationalisation to have more eyeball counts.
If we read widely and globally we will be able to piece together information and come to a reasonable conclusion. Hard science like statistics like numbers injured, cars destroyed, etc
measure an event, it does not
explain an event. And as we grow older we realise everything is more an art than science (this is coming from a finance guy with science background), and things have
preconditions to be true. The adage of "Do Not Assume" is just as ridiculous as "Make Mistakes". Life is full of uncertainties and yet too short to make mistakes we cannot recover from.
As I always say 中庸之道. There are some here most agitated when people comment against the govt, and some here that everything blame the govt. Regular forumers would be able to judge and know (and yes based on assumption from their posts). Be centrists my friends and stay rational.
(12-12-2013, 10:24 AM)Some-one Wrote: [ -> ] (12-12-2013, 05:35 AM)Temperament Wrote: [ -> ]Quote:-
Quote:"Whether your effort is right or just false assumption, I would applaud you whichever way. Nothing to celebrate, nothing to defend unless one just takes everything written here as a "battle". Either win to reinforce your own belief or lose and enforce your own belief. Whichever way, life would still go on as normal. No trumpet, no booing. I would also accept whatever the conclusion is after (emphasis added) investigation is completed."
Unquote:
i think it's not a matter of win or lose or to show how clever we are.
When we, Singaporeans witnessed the PRC Bus Strike and now India nationals RIOT in LITTLE INDIA, we simply know they are very different from us.
>> I don't really see any difference between them and us. We are all humans. How would you like if you are judged to be different in in another country? Yes, there are people who are racist, discriminating but I don't think we should be like them.
May i bring out here even our MM said 山 高皇帝远 mentality of the PRC CHINESE regarding the SOO CHOW Park Agreement.
i think it applies to the India Nationals here in Singapore too.
With this type of 山 高皇帝远 mentality of these PRC CHINESE & India Nationals FWs, do you agree Singaporeans are duly worried about Singapore future?
>> That's what MM said. You can choose to accept, reflect or reject it. Whether it is applicable to the other nationalities or not. It is not for us to judge. There are good and bad ones around.
If we don't voice out our worries now after the India National Riot then when?
When Singapore lost it's identity to FWs & FTs, completely?
Then it's too late baby now, it's too late to worry. It's over. (As the lyrics in a song says).
>> It's good to be patriotic but as I have said, writing in a forum is not much use. Of course, you can comment in whatever way you want.
NB:
It's a matter of our livelihood now and our future; Our children's future. We can not wait until the next GE. We have to voice out every now and then when detrimental events occur in Singapore to our G. So that hopefully our G can fine tune the country's policies for the benefit of all Singaporeans and not the "Elites" only.
Again, you can voice it out but is it useful? You made your own judgement.
Well, A. L. said:-
"You can fool some of the people some of the time. You can even fool some of people all of the time. But you can't fool all the people all of the time."
It's simply the whole lot of common folks can not be all stupid.
If it is, why after 5 years from last GE, allow the people to vote again?
Our top echelon in G are almost all make up of Top Scholars of Singapore, surely they know about A. L. more then us common folks.
(12-12-2013, 10:45 AM)specuvestor Wrote: [ -> ] (11-12-2013, 10:59 PM)Some-one Wrote: [ -> ] (11-12-2013, 04:38 PM)specuvestor Wrote: [ -> ]The fact that Some-one cannot comprehend how Blumont is foreseeable or Little India riot is linked to policies render our discussion fruitless.
He is entitled to his opinions in his discrete world and I am entitled to my rational posts where events have a catalyst, which I think my posts in aggregate and historically has not been deemed nonsensical nor sensational I hope.
The next few weeks when tempers calm we will see what transpired, and whether my mosiac effort is right or just false assumptions
I didn't know that there is a difference between your post and my post. Mine is deemed as discreet and yours is deemed as rational. Perhaps Cityfarmer may wish to clarify if there is such a difference for different posts?
It's good to have different opinions. I have been lucky enough to be given a chance to counsel some of the workers and it is definitely not what some people have perceived it to be and I am still cool (i.e. no temper). Social work has given me a different perspective in life. Human behaviours have never been predictable.
Whether your effort is right or just false assumption, I would applaud you whichever way. Nothing to celebrate, nothing to defend unless one just takes everything written here as a "battle". Either win to reinforce your own belief or lose and enforce your own belief. Whichever way, life would still go on as normal. No trumpet, no booing. I would also accept whatever the conclusion is after (emphasis added) investigation is completed.
Discrete because u don't see events as being related.
>> So, I should see events as been related to be rational? I would think that each post is a person's view. Discrete or rational is not for one to judge.
Again we are assuming the police did a good job just watching a video and a press statement from DPM. Surely he will defend the Home Team? Aren't we one-sided?
>> I have never commented that the police did a good or bad job. Is this what you yourself think instead? Not sure who the "we" are you referring to.
Yet it is a reasonable assumption based on the facts of the event with speedy dispersal and not a single shot fired. We don't need a DPM statement to tell us that. It only confirms what we know if we look at the event rationally.
>> An assumption is reasonable or not is not for us to say. To you, it is reasonable. To others, it may not be. Ditto for events.
Police with a six round revolver is not designed to tackle a crowd where herd instincts rule. What happen if they don't disperse after a round is fired into the sky and you anger them? Shoot 5? The baton and shield are much well designed to inflict pain and not cause death, if handled properly. And of course there are water-canons and tear gas for the riot squads. To belittle the police officers that are not designed for the task is equivalent to asking STAR team to do a commando incursion.
>> I would take it that it is referring to other posts since I don't think I have commented on anything on whether the police has do a great job or not. Perhaps you should be quoting others instead.
There are people who invest only when the sky is clear as summer noon, but we know what are the issues with that vs doing our homework and making reasonable guesstimates. Our minds work on heuristics, assumptions based on reasonable and well guided facts, are different from jumping to conclusions with biased pre-judgement. If we read widely and globally we will be able to piece together information and come to a reasonable conclusion. Hard science like statistics like numbers injured, cars destroyed, etc measure an event, it does not explain an event. And as we grow older we realise everything is more an art than science (this is coming from a finance guy with science background), and things have preconditions to be true. The adage of "Do Not Assume" is just as ridiculous as "Make Mistakes". Life is full of uncertainties and yet too short to make mistakes we cannot recover from.
>> There are more knowledge in this world than just coming to a reasonable conclusion even if one has read widely and globally. If one really has read widely and globally, he would have reserved comments on things that are not based on facts but opinions and assumptions.
As I always say 中庸之道. There are some here most agitated when people comment against the govt, and some here that everything blame the govt. Regular forumers would be able to judge and know (and yes based on assumption from their posts). Be centrists my friends and stay rational.
I would think that if one gets most agitated because of the replies that he gets when others wrote against him or for him may have to reflect on himself. Did he hold on to his own beliefs for too long? Why he could not accept differing views? If not, why would he gets agitated? Something to ponder.
(12-12-2013, 10:59 AM)Temperament Wrote: [ -> ] (12-12-2013, 10:24 AM)Some-one Wrote: [ -> ] (12-12-2013, 05:35 AM)Temperament Wrote: [ -> ]Quote:-
Quote:"Whether your effort is right or just false assumption, I would applaud you whichever way. Nothing to celebrate, nothing to defend unless one just takes everything written here as a "battle". Either win to reinforce your own belief or lose and enforce your own belief. Whichever way, life would still go on as normal. No trumpet, no booing. I would also accept whatever the conclusion is after (emphasis added) investigation is completed."
Unquote:
i think it's not a matter of win or lose or to show how clever we are.
When we, Singaporeans witnessed the PRC Bus Strike and now India nationals RIOT in LITTLE INDIA, we simply know they are very different from us.
>> I don't really see any difference between them and us. We are all humans. How would you like if you are judged to be different in in another country? Yes, there are people who are racist, discriminating but I don't think we should be like them.
May i bring out here even our MM said 山 高皇帝远 mentality of the PRC CHINESE regarding the SOO CHOW Park Agreement.
i think it applies to the India Nationals here in Singapore too.
With this type of 山 高皇帝远 mentality of these PRC CHINESE & India Nationals FWs, do you agree Singaporeans are duly worried about Singapore future?
>> That's what MM said. You can choose to accept, reflect or reject it. Whether it is applicable to the other nationalities or not. It is not for us to judge. There are good and bad ones around.
If we don't voice out our worries now after the India National Riot then when?
When Singapore lost it's identity to FWs & FTs, completely?
Then it's too late baby now, it's too late to worry. It's over. (As the lyrics in a song says).
>> It's good to be patriotic but as I have said, writing in a forum is not much use. Of course, you can comment in whatever way you want.
NB:
It's a matter of our livelihood now and our future; Our children's future. We can not wait until the next GE. We have to voice out every now and then when detrimental events occur in Singapore to our G. So that hopefully our G can fine tune the country's policies for the benefit of all Singaporeans and not the "Elites" only.
Again, you can voice it out but is it useful? You made your own judgement.
Well, A. L. said:-
"You can fool some of the people some of the time. You can even fool some of people all of the time. But you can't fool all the people all the time."
It's simply the whole lot of common folks can not be all stupid.
If it is, why after 5 years from last GE, allow the people to vote again?
Our top echelon in G are almost all make up of Top Scholars of Singapore, surely they know about A. L. more then us common folks.
I don't know where you see the "whole lot of common folks". Maybe you are seeing people in this forum only or maybe other forums or maybe people close to you? That could not be too representative, isn't it? Well, of course you can claim to be so. Nothing is stopping you.
A reminder: Posts on the closed topic of "the video", will be removed by moderator. Repeated similar posts from same nick, will be taken seriously, and disciplinary action will be carried out.
Regards
Moderator
Lee Hsien Long better pray hard that WP doesn't manage to recruit more marquee candidates in the mold of Chen Show Mao.
With everything breaking so badly for PM Lee (first the floods, then strike, now riot), once WP are able to assemble a slate of credible candidates to contest the GRCs, PM Lee can kiss his two-thirds parliamentary majority good bye.
(12-12-2013, 11:18 AM)Some-one Wrote: [ -> ] (12-12-2013, 10:59 AM)Temperament Wrote: [ -> ] (12-12-2013, 10:24 AM)Some-one Wrote: [ -> ] (12-12-2013, 05:35 AM)Temperament Wrote: [ -> ]Quote:-
Quote:"Whether your effort is right or just false assumption, I would applaud you whichever way. Nothing to celebrate, nothing to defend unless one just takes everything written here as a "battle". Either win to reinforce your own belief or lose and enforce your own belief. Whichever way, life would still go on as normal. No trumpet, no booing. I would also accept whatever the conclusion is after (emphasis added) investigation is completed."
Unquote:
i think it's not a matter of win or lose or to show how clever we are.
When we, Singaporeans witnessed the PRC Bus Strike and now India nationals RIOT in LITTLE INDIA, we simply know they are very different from us.
>> I don't really see any difference between them and us. We are all humans. How would you like if you are judged to be different in in another country? Yes, there are people who are racist, discriminating but I don't think we should be like them.
May i bring out here even our MM said 山 高皇帝远 mentality of the PRC CHINESE regarding the SOO CHOW Park Agreement.
i think it applies to the India Nationals here in Singapore too.
With this type of 山 高皇帝远 mentality of these PRC CHINESE & India Nationals FWs, do you agree Singaporeans are duly worried about Singapore future?
>> That's what MM said. You can choose to accept, reflect or reject it. Whether it is applicable to the other nationalities or not. It is not for us to judge. There are good and bad ones around.
If we don't voice out our worries now after the India National Riot then when?
When Singapore lost it's identity to FWs & FTs, completely?
Then it's too late baby now, it's too late to worry. It's over. (As the lyrics in a song says).
>> It's good to be patriotic but as I have said, writing in a forum is not much use. Of course, you can comment in whatever way you want.
NB:
It's a matter of our livelihood now and our future; Our children's future. We can not wait until the next GE. We have to voice out every now and then when detrimental events occur in Singapore to our G. So that hopefully our G can fine tune the country's policies for the benefit of all Singaporeans and not the "Elites" only.
Again, you can voice it out but is it useful? You made your own judgement.
Well, A. L. said:-
"You can fool some of the people some of the time. You can even fool some of people all of the time. But you can't fool all the people all the time."
It's simply the whole lot of common folks can not be all stupid.
If it is, why after 5 years from last GE, allow the people to vote again?
Our top echelon in G are almost all make up of Top Scholars of Singapore, surely they know about A. L. more then us common folks.
I don't know where you see the "whole lot of common folks". Maybe you are seeing people in this forum only or maybe other forums or maybe people close to you? That could not be too representative, isn't it? Well, of course you can claim to be so. Nothing is stopping you.
Well, actually i think no point going on from here.
It will never end.
Why?
Only the next coming GE will tell us how many % of Singaporeans is still with our G.
Meanwhile, we can only make a little noises here and there about our "unhappiness", about our feelings insecure, etc.....
Which is useless in your opinion.
And you may be right until the next GE lol.
Then we will know whether useful or not for people making all the little noises here and there.
Full Stop!
(12-12-2013, 11:36 AM)Temperament Wrote: [ -> ] (12-12-2013, 11:18 AM)Some-one Wrote: [ -> ] (12-12-2013, 10:59 AM)Temperament Wrote: [ -> ] (12-12-2013, 10:24 AM)Some-one Wrote: [ -> ] (12-12-2013, 05:35 AM)Temperament Wrote: [ -> ]Quote:-
Unquote:
i think it's not a matter of win or lose or to show how clever we are.
When we, Singaporeans witnessed the PRC Bus Strike and now India nationals RIOT in LITTLE INDIA, we simply know they are very different from us.
>> I don't really see any difference between them and us. We are all humans. How would you like if you are judged to be different in in another country? Yes, there are people who are racist, discriminating but I don't think we should be like them.
May i bring out here even our MM said 山 高皇帝远 mentality of the PRC CHINESE regarding the SOO CHOW Park Agreement.
i think it applies to the India Nationals here in Singapore too.
With this type of 山 高皇帝远 mentality of these PRC CHINESE & India Nationals FWs, do you agree Singaporeans are duly worried about Singapore future?
>> That's what MM said. You can choose to accept, reflect or reject it. Whether it is applicable to the other nationalities or not. It is not for us to judge. There are good and bad ones around.
If we don't voice out our worries now after the India National Riot then when?
When Singapore lost it's identity to FWs & FTs, completely?
Then it's too late baby now, it's too late to worry. It's over. (As the lyrics in a song says).
>> It's good to be patriotic but as I have said, writing in a forum is not much use. Of course, you can comment in whatever way you want.
NB:
It's a matter of our livelihood now and our future; Our children's future. We can not wait until the next GE. We have to voice out every now and then when detrimental events occur in Singapore to our G. So that hopefully our G can fine tune the country's policies for the benefit of all Singaporeans and not the "Elites" only.
Again, you can voice it out but is it useful? You made your own judgement.
Well, A. L. said:-
"You can fool some of the people some of the time. You can even fool some of people all of the time. But you can't fool all the people all the time."
It's simply the whole lot of common folks can not be all stupid.
If it is, why after 5 years from last GE, allow the people to vote again?
Our top echelon in G are almost all make up of Top Scholars of Singapore, surely they know about A. L. more then us common folks.
I don't know where you see the "whole lot of common folks". Maybe you are seeing people in this forum only or maybe other forums or maybe people close to you? That could not be too representative, isn't it? Well, of course you can claim to be so. Nothing is stopping you.
Well, actually i think no point going on from here.
It will never end.
Why?
Only the next coming GE will tell us how many % of Singaporeans is still with our G.
Meanwhile, we can only make a little noises here and there about our "unhappiness", about our feelings insecure, etc.....
Which is useless in your opinion.
And you may be right until the next GE lol.
Then we will know whether useful or not for people making all the little noises here and there.
Full Stop!
Yes. You are perfectly right...