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(19-05-2016, 04:22 PM)Behappyalways Wrote: With luck, the rest of us outside China will have three or four more months to order our own affairs before the storm gathers. Whether it is bumpy landing, a hard landing, or a crash landing, depends on who the "authoritative person" in Beijing turn out to be.

China's Communist Party goes way of Qing Dynasty as debt hits limit
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2016...-hits-lim/

hi Behappyalways,
Thanks for the article. I started reading such 'China-doom' articles since 2011 (maybe)? It was anything from Wukan protests to trillion dollar shadow banking to 'I cant recall anything else memorable now'.
1-2 years back, I gave up trying to predict when the storm will come. Smile
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(19-05-2016, 05:09 PM)weijian Wrote:
(19-05-2016, 04:22 PM)Behappyalways Wrote: With luck, the rest of us outside China will have three or four more months to order our own affairs before the storm gathers. Whether it is bumpy landing, a hard landing, or a crash landing, depends on who the "authoritative person" in Beijing turn out to be.

China's Communist Party goes way of Qing Dynasty as debt hits limit
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2016...-hits-lim/

hi Behappyalways,
Thanks for the article. I started reading such 'China-doom' articles since 2011 (maybe)? It was anything from Wukan protests to trillion dollar shadow banking to 'I cant recall anything else memorable now'.
1-2 years back, I gave up trying to predict when the storm will come. Smile

The "China-doom" stories from the West, has started since last crisis in 2008/9, I guess. I gave up too.  Big Grin
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Yes China doom stories have been a long time coming. However just because the Western media picks on China, doesn't mean there is no truth in what they say. 

A simple look at China GDP figures. Personally I dun believe growth is even more than 5% but even officially the trend from peak in 2010 is disturbing(click on the 5 year graph). IMHO wont be long till we hit 6.5% and less. Do take into account that there has been quite a few rounds of easing in monetary policy and reduction in interest rates these past couple years which doesn't seem to be doing anything in stopping the slowdown. In addition we have had cheap oil since beginning of 2015, that does not seem to be helping China's gdp growth much as well.

[Image: china-gdp-growth-annual.png?s=cngdpyoy&v=201604212008n]

http://www.tradingeconomics.com/china/gdp-growth-annual


all we can do as value investors is to position and allocate our portfolios so we dun get wiped out but are able to capitalize on any dips that may be coming..
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(19-05-2016, 05:34 PM)CityFarmer Wrote:
(19-05-2016, 05:09 PM)weijian Wrote:
(19-05-2016, 04:22 PM)Behappyalways Wrote: With luck, the rest of us outside China will have three or four more months to order our own affairs before the storm gathers. Whether it is bumpy landing, a hard landing, or a crash landing, depends on who the "authoritative person" in Beijing turn out to be.

China's Communist Party goes way of Qing Dynasty as debt hits limit
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2016...-hits-lim/

hi Behappyalways,
Thanks for the article. I started reading such 'China-doom' articles since 2011 (maybe)? It was anything from Wukan protests to trillion dollar shadow banking to 'I cant recall anything else memorable now'.
1-2 years back, I gave up trying to predict when the storm will come. Smile

The "China-doom" stories from the West, has started since last crisis in 2008/9, I guess. I gave up too.  Big Grin

the big picture is that, china is still net-net, a creditor nation, and most of its debts are domestic debt. The banks are owned by govt, financial system is still relatively closed compared to Asean countries which experienced crisis in 1997. That bought it much more time to deal with its debt problem compared to Asean countries like Indonesia & Thailand.

It is very similar to Japan. Japanese debt bubbled burst in early 2000 .. did we see currency crash and massive capital flight out of japan then? Even now, unemployment rate in Japan is still pretty low. Big Grin 

One day, maybe, those predicting massive crash in china could be right .. but in what form, nobody knows Big Grin
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A good article on China debt, IMO. It is a more balancing view, instead of quantitatively comparing debt level across different system, without moving deeper. The author is in HK, which is closer to China banking eco-system.

(sharing with those are interested in the same topic)

Moving from debt to equity in China

A spate of recent commentary has been warning of the vertiginous rise in China’s debt, which jumped from 148 per cent of GDP in 2007 to 249 per cent at the end of the third quarter of 2015. Many are anxiously pointing out that China’s debt is now comparable with that of the European Union (270 per cent of GDP) and the United States (248 per cent of GDP). Are they right to worry?

To some extent, they are. But while observers’ concerns are not entirely baseless, it is far too early to sound the systemic-risk alarm.

As a recent HSBC report points out, the reasons for China’s rapid accumulation of debt, which is concentrated in the corporate and local-government sectors, suggest that the situation is not nearly as dangerous as many are making it out to be.

For starters, China has a very high saving rate — above 45 per cent over the past decade, much higher than in the advanced economies — which enables it to sustain higher debt levels. Moreover, China’s banking system remains the primary channel for the deployment of the household sector’s savings, meaning that those savings fund corporate investment through bank lending, rather than equity financing (which accounts for only about 5 per cent of net investment). Indeed, the sharp acceleration in the debt-to-GDP ratio is partly attributable to the relative underdevelopment of China’s capital market.

Once these factors are taken into account, China’s overall debt levels do not seem abnormally high. While debt might be a problem for Chinese companies with excess capacity and low productivity, companies in fast-growing, productive sectors and regions may not be in too much trouble.

More generally, China has made recent progress in boosting labour productivity, encouraging technological innovation and improving service quality in key urban areas, despite severe financial repression and inadequate access to funding by small- and medium-sized private enterprises.

DEBT OVERHANG

Of course, China’s debt is still rising — a trend that, if left unchecked, could pose a mounting threat to financial and economic stability. But the structure of China’s national balance sheet suggests that it still has plenty of room to mitigate the risks that escalating debt might bring.

Thanks to China’s high saving rate, the country’s banking system had a loan-to-deposit ratio of 74 per cent at the end of 2015, with 17.5 per cent in required reserves held at the central bank. The capital adequacy ratio was as high as 13.2 per cent.

Given that China’s net external lending position amounts to US$1.8 trillion (S$2.44 trillion), or 17.2 per cent of GDP, the central bank has enough liquidity to reduce banks’ reserve requirements without resorting to unconventional monetary policy.

Furthermore, after more than three decades of rapid income growth, China has accumulated wealth (or net assets) in almost all sectors. By any standard, China’s household sector has very low leverage, with a debt-to-deposit ratio of 47.6 per cent.

Even the corporate sector’s leverage is not as high as many reports suggest. Household deposits accounted for 40.1 per cent of total bank deposits of 146.5 trillion yuan (S$30 trillion) at end-March 2016, while non-financial corporations comprised 32.1 per cent, and the share of government deposits was 17.1 per cent.

The combined debt-deposit ratio of the non-financial corporate sector and the government sector was 97.6 per cent, meaning that these sectors’ total deposits exceeded their debts to the banking system by 1.7 trillion yuan.

In addition, the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences estimates that the central and local governments have accumulated net assets amounting to nearly 146 per cent of GDP, mostly in real estate. In short, while China has a problem with inefficient capital allocation, it is nowhere near a solvency or liquidity crisis.

Nonetheless, China does need to address its domestic debt overhang. One option is higher inflation. But advanced countries have learned the hard way in recent years how difficult this approach can be, as their massive unconventional monetary policies have failed to overcome deflationary forces. With much of the world facing very low inflation, and even the possibility of outright decline in the price level, the real burden of debt has been increasing.

A second option is to issue more equity. The banking system is the wrong channel for allocating resources to high-growth, high-risk sectors, which should hold equity as risk capital. But last year’s A-share debacle — when a price rout drove the government to suspend trading in more than half of A-share companies — underscored how difficult it is to build a strong equity market when the investment culture and tax system remain tilted towards debt.

But China still has options. A substantial share of the corporations holding large debts are state-owned, and are thus more subject to policy than they are to markets. Simply put, the government has the power to bring about balance-sheet changes. The key will be to encourage the reduction of bad debts and increases in the stock of safe assets, while taxing excess capacity and encouraging innovation, thereby improving total factor productivity.

Professor Giacomo Corneo of the Free University of Berlin has proposed that, in addition to taxing underused real estate, China should create a sovereign wealth fund to improve the management of public assets.

Given that those assets amount to an estimated US$18 trillion, a higher return on capital would boost GDP and reduce debt. China’s bank regulators have already permitted experiments in debt-equity swaps, which the International Monetary Fund says should be incorporated in a comprehensive strategy to accelerate reform of state-owned enterprises.

China has the savings to address its growing debt burden. Amid slowing growth, however, its window of opportunity is narrowing. The sooner China rebalances from debt to equity, the better off it will be.

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ABOUT THE AUTHOR:

Andrew Sheng is Distinguished Fellow of the Asia Global Institute at the University of Hong Kong and a member of the UNEP Advisory Council on Sustainable Finance. Xiao Geng, Director of the IFF Institute, is a professor at the University of Hong Kong and a fellow at its Asia Global Institute.
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Will the inclusion accepted this round?

MSCI is about to make its big call on world's worst stock market
14 Jun 2016 06:40
[HONG KONG] Index-tracking global investors are about to find out whether they will be compelled to start buying shares in the world's worst-performing stock market.

MSCI Inc will announce early Wednesday morning Hong Kong time whether China's domestic equities will be added to its global benchmark gauges - a move that would initially spur inflows of as much as US$30 billion, according to HSBC Holdings Plc.

While inclusion would offer investors greater access to companies in the world's second-largest economy, the Shanghai Composite Index has tumbled 45 per cent in the past 12 months, including a 20 per cent loss this year.
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Source: Business Times Breaking News
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Cf make a poll so we can vote 😀

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