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		 (02-05-2013, 05:40 PM)Temperament Wrote:   (02-05-2013, 02:19 PM)smallcaps Wrote:  Ah! Of course! But you still need to pay interest to your insurance company if i am not wrong. And to think of it, it is actually you are borrowing your own money (your insurance cash value) if you surrender the policy. (02-05-2013, 12:04 PM)Temperament Wrote:   (02-05-2013, 11:38 AM)HitandRun Wrote:  Uncle temperament
 Don't be confused by my nick. I am by definition not a trader. The annual turnover of my portfolio is not high, maybe < 30%. Whenever I enter a position, I would normally plan to keep it for easily a couple of years, whether for dividends or growth. When I have more ideas than capital, I would use leverage. I look at charts some of the time but charting is not my forte.
 
 I have a day job as well.....
 Oh i see. Still you are very good as you dare to use OPM to invest. i dare not.
 You can borrow against your own collateral then maybe it's not OPM?
 e.g Borrow against life policy...
 i say i dare not invest on borrowed-money because i don't have the confidence to make more profit then the interest i have to pay for the loan. To me if i use my own money, the interest i have to pay for the loan is my profit already (POW CHIAK ONE). But i understand it's usually the first place (my own policy's cash value) to go if i have to take a loan because it is usually cheaper than the bank or else where.
 
Home equity loan might be cheaper, I think. But probably insurance policy much more flexible payment...
	 
	
	
	
		
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		 (02-05-2013, 05:53 PM)smallcaps Wrote:   (02-05-2013, 05:40 PM)Temperament Wrote:   (02-05-2013, 02:19 PM)smallcaps Wrote:  Ah! Of course! But you still need to pay interest to your insurance company if i am not wrong. And to think of it, it is actually you are borrowing your own money (your insurance cash value) if you surrender the policy. (02-05-2013, 12:04 PM)Temperament Wrote:   (02-05-2013, 11:38 AM)HitandRun Wrote:  Uncle temperament
 Don't be confused by my nick. I am by definition not a trader. The annual turnover of my portfolio is not high, maybe < 30%. Whenever I enter a position, I would normally plan to keep it for easily a couple of years, whether for dividends or growth. When I have more ideas than capital, I would use leverage. I look at charts some of the time but charting is not my forte.
 
 I have a day job as well.....
 Oh i see. Still you are very good as you dare to use OPM to invest. i dare not.
 You can borrow against your own collateral then maybe it's not OPM?
 e.g Borrow against life policy...
 i say i dare not invest on borrowed-money because i don't have the confidence to make more profit then the interest i have to pay for the loan. To me if i use my own money, the interest i have to pay for the loan is my profit already (POW CHIAK ONE). But i understand it's usually the first place (my own policy's cash value) to go if i have to take a loan because it is usually cheaper than the bank or else where.
 Home equity loan might be cheaper, I think. But probably insurance policy much more flexible payment...
 For me, i pray that i don't need or don't have to take a loan, is my policy. Amen. 
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 1) Rule # 1, do not lose money.
 2) Rule # 2, refer to # 1.
 3) Not until you can manage your emotions, you can manage your money.
 
 Truism of Investments.
 A) Buying a security is buying RISK not Return
 B) You can control RISK (to a certain level, hopefully only.) But definitely not the outcome of the Return.
 
 NB:-
 My signature is meant for psychoing myself. No offence to anyone. i am trying not to lose money unnecessary anymore.
 
	
	
	
		
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		 (02-05-2013, 05:40 PM)Temperament Wrote:   (02-05-2013, 02:19 PM)smallcaps Wrote:  Ah! Of course! But you still need to pay interest to your insurance company if i am not wrong. And to think of it, it is actually you are borrowing your own money (your insurance cash value) if you surrender the policy. (02-05-2013, 12:04 PM)Temperament Wrote:   (02-05-2013, 11:38 AM)HitandRun Wrote:  Uncle temperament
 Don't be confused by my nick. I am by definition not a trader. The annual turnover of my portfolio is not high, maybe < 30%. Whenever I enter a position, I would normally plan to keep it for easily a couple of years, whether for dividends or growth. When I have more ideas than capital, I would use leverage. I look at charts some of the time but charting is not my forte.
 
 I have a day job as well.....
 Oh i see. Still you are very good as you dare to use OPM to invest. i dare not.
 You can borrow against your own collateral then maybe it's not OPM?
 e.g Borrow against life policy...
 i say i dare not invest on borrowed-money because i don't have the confidence to make more profit then the interest i have to pay for the loan. To me if i use my own money, the interest i have to pay for the loan is my profit already (POW CHIAK ONE). But i understand it's usually the first place (my own policy's cash value) to go if i have to take a loan because it is usually cheaper than the bank or else where.
 
When buying an investment property and taking up a loan, it will consider investing using OPM. 
 
I had ever considering taking equity from my property and invest using the money. However, I backed out in fear of a falling property price and stock market. I am more comfortable in my present position.    Not really a high risk taker.
	 
	
	
	
		
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		 (02-05-2013, 10:34 PM)NTL Wrote:   (02-05-2013, 05:40 PM)Temperament Wrote:   (02-05-2013, 02:19 PM)smallcaps Wrote:  Ah! Of course! But you still need to pay interest to your insurance company if i am not wrong. And to think of it, it is actually you are borrowing your own money (your insurance cash value) if you surrender the policy. (02-05-2013, 12:04 PM)Temperament Wrote:   (02-05-2013, 11:38 AM)HitandRun Wrote:  Uncle temperament
 Don't be confused by my nick. I am by definition not a trader. The annual turnover of my portfolio is not high, maybe < 30%. Whenever I enter a position, I would normally plan to keep it for easily a couple of years, whether for dividends or growth. When I have more ideas than capital, I would use leverage. I look at charts some of the time but charting is not my forte.
 
 I have a day job as well.....
 Oh i see. Still you are very good as you dare to use OPM to invest. i dare not.
 You can borrow against your own collateral then maybe it's not OPM?
 e.g Borrow against life policy...
 i say i dare not invest on borrowed-money because i don't have the confidence to make more profit then the interest i have to pay for the loan. To me if i use my own money, the interest i have to pay for the loan is my profit already (POW CHIAK ONE). But i understand it's usually the first place (my own policy's cash value) to go if i have to take a loan because it is usually cheaper than the bank or else where.
 When buying an investment property and taking up a loan, it will consider investing using OPM.
 
 I had ever considering taking equity from my property and invest using the money. However, I backed out in fear of a falling property price and stock market. I am more comfortable in my present position.
  Not really a high risk taker. Oh yes! We must know when a bird in our hand is worth 2 in the bush.
	 
WB:-
 1) Rule # 1, do not lose money.
 2) Rule # 2, refer to # 1.
 3) Not until you can manage your emotions, you can manage your money.
 
 Truism of Investments.
 A) Buying a security is buying RISK not Return
 B) You can control RISK (to a certain level, hopefully only.) But definitely not the outcome of the Return.
 
 NB:-
 My signature is meant for psychoing myself. No offence to anyone. i am trying not to lose money unnecessary anymore.
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