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(18-11-2012, 07:56 AM)hyom Wrote: [ -> ][quote='Temperament' pid='36379' dateline='1353164578']
Oh dear! Mercy! Suicide is not allowed in most religions. Especially Christianity and Muslim.

However, suppose a Christian commits suicide to avoid burdening and speed up claims to help the family. When Judgement day comes, he can argue "I died for the love of my family. Similar to what you did when you died for the love for all of us when you volunteered to die on the Cross. Should I be punished for an act of love and sacrifice, something which you yourself committed?"

Ephesians 2:8-9
"For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not as a result of works, so that no one may boast."

( i like the above verse very much because if i can save myself why is there a God? Or why do i need a GOD? i can save myself ma! Isn't it? )

Above is the foundation of Christain belief.

In one sense, we all operate every day on faith in many different areas of our lives. If you've ever eaten at a restaurant, accepted a doctor's prescription, or planned for the future, you have certainly been operating on a degree of faith, that in fact, may be a bit blind.

As C. S. Lewis said (see resource list), most of the things you believe are believed on authority, secondary evidence, etc. For example, you may never have actually seen a molecule, but you have no doubt that molecules exist. Even more to the point, we are confident that things like gravity, time, the laws of logic, and true love exist even though we cannot see them. Of course, experience and rational investigation should increase your confidence in what is true.

Even the atheist has faith. The atheist has faith that the world exploded into existence but nobody caused it.

The issue is not faith. Everyone has a faith—atheist, agnostic, or Christian. The real issue is what is a worthy object of our faith. In this section of our website we will show that Christianity is reasonable and rational, that it is logically consistent, that it fits the evidence, and that it is relevant for modern man. And we hope to clear up a few common misconceptions about Christianity.
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Christianity is not mere blind faith. As emphasized by theologian D. James Kennedy, the claim that belief in Christianity produces an irrational, uneducated, unintelligent, or unintellectual view of life is completely false. And the statement that unbelief produces a rational and intelligent and enlightened view of the universe is equally false.

Blind faith is faith without evidence, which would be superstition. The Bible does not call us to blind faith. The Bible calls us to faith in evidence. We submit that various truth claims, including Christianity, should be evaluated on the evidence.

Yes, there will always be a step of faith for the Christian. But that step doesn't require a person to leave his brains at the church door.
I think the recent posts on religion are getting OT.
(26-11-2012, 11:19 AM)kazukirai Wrote: [ -> ]I think the recent posts on religion are getting OT.

O. K. Taken.
Maybe it should have been posted under "General Chat" or under "Christianity" in relating to investment? No?
The tapestry of life is indeed complicated.
How to really draw a line across the sand?
Anyway point taken.Big Grin
Yes, there is a ""General Chat"" or "Others" category for discussion of non-investment related topics.

For religion or other matters (e.g. politics), interested forumers should post there, please.

(26-11-2012, 11:59 AM)Musicwhiz Wrote: [ -> ]Yes, there is a ""General Chat"" or "Others" category for discussion of non-investment related topics.

For religion or other matters (e.g. politics), interested forumers should post there, please.


Thanks to you too for on the ball. Not only that. You are F & S too.Big Grin
To find God's favor

It is a great comfort to know we do not have to be perfect to find God's favor. Even the worst of sinners can become a new creation in Christ (2 Corinthians 5:17) through faith. Then, through good works and repentance, the light of Christ will shine brightly in our lives (Matthew 5:16, Luke 15:7).
Why Follow Wisdom's Path?
Following the ways of Wisdom helps bring us in harmony with God because these ways are in accordance with His will, as revealed in the Bible, and are pleasing to Him.
The ways of Wisdom also bring us in harmony with other persons because respect for others is the very essence of the Commandments. The wisdom teachings of the Bible are much more than an arbitrarily dictated moral code; they form a prescription for living in peace with the people we interact with daily.
Finally, acting with Wisdom brings us in harmony with ourselves, giving us a sense of self-worth and inner peace. This inner peace is achieved because we are acting in accordance with our consciences and avoiding the shame and guilt of following our baser instincts.
How blessed is the man who finds wisdom, and the man who gains understanding. For its profit is better than the profit of silver, and its gain than fine gold. She is more precious than jewels; and nothing you desire compares with her. Long life is in her right hand; in her left hand are riches and honor. Her ways are pleasant ways, and all her paths are peace. She is a tree of life to those who take hold of her, and happy are all who hold her fast. (NAS, Proverbs 3:13-18)
We often fail in our daily struggle to act with wisdom -- it does not come easily or naturally. Although it is easier to follow our less-than-wise impulses, the reward for acting with wisdom is great. When we give it our best effort, the payoff in self-esteem and inner peace will compensate us many times over.
You may want to clarify that "inner" peace in Christianity is miles different from the inner peace practiced by other religion. Christianity peace comes primarily from God, not by moral values or works or meditation.

And AFAIK the scripture talks about peace but never harmony. The word "harmony" eeks too much of New Age. And there are also certain conditions when peace has to take a backseat when issues are paramount.

My 2 cents as a believer.
getting too complicated... i should continue reading the olam report by muddy waters
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Dear Friend,
When you imagine a picture of peace, the cover of this envelope may not be what comes to mind.
Perhaps you think of a beautiful ravine with a trickling brook, or a sensational ocean view as the sun sets, or a wonderful spa experience with soothing music playing in the background, but certainly not a raging ocean storm.
Yet, Jesus said He would leave us His very own peace, peace that goes far beyond human understanding. Peace in the midst of the storms of life we all encounter.
“Peace I leave with you, My peace I give to you; not as the world gives do I give to you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.” John 14:27
How could Jesus have slept in the bottom of a boat during a terrible storm at sea (Mark 4)? I have been on the Sea of Galilee. The local Jewish guide told me that the hills on either side of the Sea of Galilee act as a type of wind tunnel, which create severe storms. My guide described how a wall of water can cascade from one side of the lake to the other as the wind pushes through the funnel shaped hills. My guide emphatically stated that you would never want to be caught in this storm. Yet, during one of these impassable storms, in the face of almost certain death, Jesus was at rest in the bottom of the boat in the middle of the surging sea!
Maybe you feel like wall after wall of insurmountable problems come against your life, your family, your business, your body or your mind. Perhaps you don’t see how you will make it through the situation with your life and sanity in tact. Yet, Jesus promised us His very own personal peace … in the midst of the tempest. The same peace He had in the bottom of the boat in the storm.
* What was the peace Jesus had? How can we have it? *
The Hebrew word for peace is “Shalom”. Jesus, who spoke Hebrew, would have said, “My shalom I give to you…”. What does Shalom mean? According to the Hebrew dictionary it means:

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Sensational! Jesus gave us His very own Health! His very own Prosperity! His very own Safety! His very own Completeness! We have all that was His, and this includes peace!
Jesus says to each of us TODAY!
Completeness I leave with you, My Completeness I give to you.
Safety I leave with you, My Safety I give to you.
Health I leave with you, My Health I give to you.
Prosperity I leave with you, My Prosperity I give to you.
Contentment I leave with you, My Contentment I give to you.
Jesus never promised us freedom from all trying circumstances. Quite the contrary:
“Many are the afflictions of the righteous, but the Lord delivers him (us) out of them all!”
Psalm 34:19
That was David speaking, and the Apostle Paul also echoed those sentiments in Romans 5 when he stated, “we glory in tribulations”. No, Paul and David did not promote a masochistic attitude toward life. Paul merely stated that in life we will face problems, but we have many reasons to rejoice. We have Jesus’ Shalom!
Now, let’s look at the second part of John 14:27,
“…not as the world gives do I give to you”.
The world’s view of peace is the absence of all outward problems. It is temporal, based upon circumstances: a beautiful spa, a calm lake in the early morning or a breathtaking sunset.

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The peace that Jesus has left us, His own Shalom, starts on the inside and transforms our outward reality. Notice, Jesus had shalom in a storm on the Sea of Galilee. Later we see that Jesus’ inward reality transformed His outward reality when He calmed the sea. His shalom is completely independent of what was going on outside His body.

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Don’t wait for outside circumstance to line up before you step out in faith to obey the Lord. It may never happen. The peace of Jesus… His Shalom… Prosperity, Health, Peace, Quiet, Completeness… all start from within and transform our outward reality.
Maybe God tells to you to trust Him for a bigger life, spiritually, mentally or physically. Maybe the Lord urges you to make more of the gift He has given you. Sure it is a risk, but Jesus has promised us…. His very own Shalom (Prosperity, Health, Safety, Peace) in whatever we face!
Don’t ever sell yourself short. In ourselves we are nothing, but we are not ourselves. As born again believers, we are dead to self, and alive to Christ Jesus. We are the righteousness of Christ! We are new creations! We are a royal priesthood! We are joint heirs with Christ! Not through our own effort or merit, but by grace!
Our past… present… future… is enveloped in His indescribable love!
No matter how bad our past, how bleak our present or hopeless our future, all things are possible with God! Don’t ever allow the ugly grip of condemnation or fear to touch your heart. It is a lie straight from hell.
Allow God’s super abundant grace to take you to new dimensions and realities you never dreamt possible! Those that doubt or even oppose you will be baffled. You will have no choice but to give glory to His unmerited favor! Nothing will be able to explain our success, but His grace!

Not shame to say I am still in the process of learning to understand more and better the Faith i have chosen as allowed by HIS GRACE.
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